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		<description><![CDATA[Valerie Tarico, Ph.D. is a psychologist in Seattle, Washington. She is the author of The Dark Side: How Evangelical Teachings Corrupt Love and Truth, the founder of www.WisdomCommons.org, and the host of Christianity in the Public Square, Moral Politics Television, Seattle. What’s the point? 1. Evangelicals are constantly mischaracterizing non-theists. We need to listen and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;"><em><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-770" title="valerie" src="http://tacomaatheists.com/files/2009/01/valerie-120x150.jpg" alt="valerie" width="84" height="105" />Valerie Tarico, Ph.D. is a psychologist in Seattle, Washington. She is the author of </em><a style="outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 13px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: transparent; text-decoration: underline; color: #0070c5; font-weight: bold; background-position: initial initial; padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: 0px initial initial;" title="This external link will open in a new window" href="http://www.lulu.com/content/220355" target="_blank"><em>The Dark Side: How Evangelical Teachings Corrupt Love and Truth</em></a><em>, the founder of </em><a style="outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 13px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: transparent; text-decoration: underline; color: #0070c5; font-weight: bold; background-position: initial initial; padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: 0px initial initial;" title="This external link will open in a new window" href="http://www.wisdomcommons.org/" target="_blank"><em>www.WisdomCommons.org</em></a><em>, and the host of Christianity in the Public Square, Moral Politics Television, Seattle.</em></p>
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<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;"><strong>What’s the point?</strong></p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">1. Evangelicals are constantly mischaracterizing non-theists. We need to listen and not preach.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">2. There is some common ground of concern here for many of us, especially in the area of the ethical practices of religions that seek to convert.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">3. We need to measure our responses against reality. Some of our typical talking points aren’t very impressive, so we might consider retiring or reworking them.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">4. I want to build a bridge. Dr. Tarico is very open to that kind of dialog.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">Dr. Valerie Tarico is a former evangelical who now describes herself as a spiritual nontheist. Her book <em><a title="This external link will open in a new window" href="http://www.valerietarico.com/The_Dark_Side.html" target="_blank">The Dark Side</a></em> distills her moral and rational critique of Evangelical teachings. Tarico is a graduate of Wheaton College. She obtained a Ph.D. in Counseling Psychology from the University of Iowa before completing postdoctoral studies at the University of Washington. She writes regularly for the Huffington Post and hosts a monthly series on SCAN TV Seattle: <em>Moral Politics – Christianity in the Public Square.</em> Last year Tarico founded <a title="This external link will open in a new window" href="http://www.WisdomCommons.org/" target="_blank">WisdomCommons.org</a>, an interactive website with quotes, stories and poems from around the world all promoting shared ethical values. Her essays about society, faith, and family life can be found at <a title="This external link will open in a new window" href="http://www.spaces.msn.com/awaypoint" target="_blank">Awaypoint</a>.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">Dr. Tarico, welcome to the Internet Monk.com interview.</p>
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<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">1. <em>Tell the Internet Monk.com audience the basic story of how and why you left evangelicalism. I’m particularly interested in any significant books or authors that were part of that journey.</em></p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">Hmm. Books and authors. I think I ended up falling from faith mostly in spite of the books I was reading to shore up my faith! I grew up in a non-denominational Bible church, and my relationship with Jesus was at the very center of who I was. In high school I was proud to stump my biology teacher with ideas from the Creation Research Society, and when I arrived at Wheaton College I think I was more devout and conservative than the school was. (I mean, they let post-millennialists and Lutherans in the door.)</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">Even so, I would say that from adolescence on I struggled to fend off moral and rational contradictions in my faith, evolving more and more idiosyncratic ways of holding the pieces together. In particular, I couldn’t understand how I was going to be blissfully, perfectly happy — indifferent to the fact that other people were experiencing eternal anguish.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">The final straw came while I was completing a doctoral internship at Children’s Hospital in Seattle. My job was to provide psychological consultation to kids and families on the medical units. I was working with kids who were dying of cancer or enduring horrible, frightening treatments in order to survive it. As I listened to the explanations offered by people who believed in an all powerful, loving, perfectly good interventionist God, it seemed to me these “justifications” were comforting, but they didn’t make things just. I re-read <em>The Problem of Pain</em>, and the resident rabbi offered <em>Why Bad Things Happen to Good People</em>. Both rang hollow.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">Finally I said to God, “I’m not making excuses for you anymore.” And suddenly it felt like I had been holding my God concept together for so long with duct tape and bailing wire that all I had left was tape and wire. So I walked away. I didn’t really re-engage with Christianity in any systematic way until it became clear about five years ago that Biblical ideas were dictating social policy — and killing people.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">2. <em>Anti-theists (or non-theists) of various kinds are now making their numbers and voice heard in the public square. What are two or three of the primary myths/truths about non-theism that people of traditional religious faiths are going to have to get rid of and/or adjust to in the future?</em></p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">Well, first of all let me say that not all nontheists are anti-theists. Most nonbelievers are simply not interested in religion. Many see it as a benign force that contributes to stable moral communities. Those who are vocally outspoken against supernaturalism are a minority. I think this is important to emphasize because the silent majority is, well, silent and so not noticed.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">Humanists who join inter-spiritual dialogue or nonbelieving parents who are busy reading bedtime stories and making cookies for school bake sales don’t tend to make their voices heard on these issues. Mostly they just want to be left in peace — to not have Christians witnessing to their kids or interfering with their medical decisions.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">The myth I am confronted with most frequently is that non-Christians (especially those who have left the faith) are indifferent to morality or they reject the gift of salvation because they don’t want to be morally accountable. Because Christians self-perceive as a city on a hill, a light shining in the darkness, they assume they have the moral high ground. Some think that there is no basis for morality apart from the Bible and a redemptive relationship with Jesus. So what they fail to recognize is that much of the critique of Christianity is a moral critique, and much of the outrage is moral outrage.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">Another myth is that non-theists broadly and anti-theists particularly have little interest in spirituality. In my experience many are profoundly concerned with issues not only of morality but also of meaning and unity and wonder: the small humble delights that that makes life a joy to live, the willingness to give yourself to something bigger than yourself, the beauties of love.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">3. <em>How do you feel about the high profile of atheists like Dawkins, Harris and Hitchens who consistently oppose religion of any kind as an unquestionable evil? Is there any feeling in the non-theist community that they are being portrayed as “fundamentalists” as well?</em></p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">Those guys definitely are anti-theists and taboo breakers to boot, which makes people love to hate them. (“<em>The Missionary Position</em>”?) But I think they change the dialogue in important ways. To cite a provocative example, Dawkins has said that religious indoctrination of children is child abuse. In reality, all education of children is indoctrination at some level. Every parent or teacher has to wrestle with the balance of top-down mind control vs open inquiry.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">But if we push past knee-jerk reactions to Dawkins’ assertion, he raises a serious moral question for believers: Is Christian indoctrination abusive more often than people like to think? Psychologist Marlene Winell, who specializes in recovery from fundamentalism, would say yes with three exclamation points.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">I personally find the “fundamentalist” label a bit of an eye roller when applied to Dawkins or Harris. It’s childish. “You stink.” “No, you stink.” The word fundamentalism has a specific history and meaning. It is about having a core set of dogma-based assertions that are nonnegotiable, and historically these fundamentals are the central tenets of Christian orthodoxy. It’s not a synonym for strident or uncompromising.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">A quick glance around any department store will give you an idea of how easily we humans confuse the quality of packaging with quality of contents. The same is true for communications. In my experience, Dawkins et al are more nuanced and thoughtful in their actual analysis than what the public reaction would suggest, and I wonder how many of their critics have actually read them versus reacting to their posture.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">Other atheist and agnostic writers love to define themselves by saying, “I’m not like those guys.” It’s a way of positioning as a moderate and gaining access to an audience that feels conflicted about the role of religion in society. Tangentially, I think that within Christianity, people often fail to recognize theological fundamentalism if it is wrapped in rock music and skateboard art or in warm, loving community.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">4. <em>Setting aside the obvious issue of breaking the law, at what point does an evangelical parent, in the religious training of their own children, cross the line into what you consider the abuse of that child?</em></p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">Imagine you work in a mental health center and a woman says to you, “My husband says he loves me unconditionally and if I don’t love him back he is going to torture me to death as slowly as he can.” Some theologies are inherently abusive.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">When I was a teenager my youth group showed a movie called “A Thief in the Night” about the rapture, and a few years back, churches were creating “hell houses” for Halloween. In both cases, the blood and gore and implied violence were meant to be shocking and emotionally traumatic — all justified morally because shock and trauma right now are better than having people tortured forever. But a therapist like Marlene Winell, who I mentioned before, routinely sees people who developed panic disorder or chronic depression and anxiety in reaction to hell and rapture threats.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">Because of my writing I sometimes receive stories that make me as a mom want to cry. One child became hysterical whenever he called out and his parents didn’t answer because he thought they’d been taken. Another repeatedly prayed the prayer of salvation — never sure that it had “taken,” until she ultimately became distraught and suicidal.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">I wonder how many children in the coming up generation were traumatized by being exposed to Mel Gibson’s blood orgy, <em>The Passion</em>. My mom’s old church took a busload including pre-adolescents — kids who largely had been sheltered from Hollywood violence and had no way to have hardened themselves against it. If it wasn’t a religious theme, the parents themselves would have thought it abusive.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">Here’s the challenge, though: Causing trauma isn’t necessarily abusive. I had my appendix removed when I was five, and it was absolutely terrifying because I was in pain and tied to a hospital bed and left alone. But I don’t think of it as abusive because it was necessary. Is scaring people into salvation necessary or abusive? When you intentionally cause harm or trauma in order to prevent a greater harm, it’s not enough to be well intentioned. You also have to be right. And if you’re not, the rest of society has a responsibility to weigh whether you are causing trauma unnecessarily—especially when those being harmed are children.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">5. <em>When you see a church spending large amounts of money on children’s ministries and activities, do you believe this is ethical or unethical? Why?</em></p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">If you heard that Scientologists were spending large amounts of money on outreach to kids would you believe this was ethical or unethical? What if they offered a subsidized summer camp to inner city kids like Child Evangelism Fellowship does? What if they had a storefront alcohol-free bar for underage skateboarders like City Church does in Ballard, Washington? What if they had teenage tutors slipping colorful invitation cards to kids in public middle schools like Foursquare Church does in Seattle?</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">Children are hard wired to be credulous, to believe what they are told by adults who have authority over them and who nurture them. It’s the only efficient way for them to pick up all the information they need. They can’t afford to question and test when we tell them stoves burn you or cars squish you, so they’re built to trust us. Because they are vulnerable in this way, we have a particular responsibility not to exploit or abuse that trust. If you believe the exclusive salvific claims of Christian orthodoxy, then the end justifies the means. That, I think is at the heart of children’s ministries. But it’s only fair to admit that children are being offered metaphorical candy – and the ultimate goal of conversion isn’t always up front. One Jewish neighbor sent her daughter to a playful, wholesome outreach ministry at a local mega church because she thought “nondenominational” meant interfaith.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">6. <em>I’m sure that you’ve got a good response to the frequent evangelical contention that non-theists have no morals. What do you say? (And what is the mistake evangelicals are making with that objection?)</em></p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">I’m kind of embarrassed for people who say this, because it means they know so little about morality and about child development. Morality doesn’t come from religion. Healthy human children come into the world primed to become moral members of society, just like they come into the world primed to acquire language. Moral emotions like empathy, shame, guilt and disgust begin to emerge during the toddler years regardless of a child’s culture or religion.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">A toddler may pat an injured peer or offer a grubby toy to an adult who is distressed. A preschooler may hide behind a couch to cover a transgression. As a child’s brain develops, moral emotions are joined by moral reasoning. By age five or six, kids have a large moral vocabulary and can argue long and loud about fairness.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">Research is just starting to show how our moral emotions and reasoning are guided by powerful moral instincts. I think these instincts are the reason that across secular and moral traditions we humans share some basic agreements about goodness. The golden rule appears in some form or another in every ethical system. Sometimes it emphasizes proactively doing good. Sometimes it is only about avoiding harm. Sometimes it applies to even the smallest sentient creature, sometimes only to males of a single religion, but it’s there.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">For the last year and a half I’ve been working on a project called the Wisdom Commons, an interactive website that gathers quotes and stories and poetry from many traditions as a way to “elevate and celebrate our shared moral core.”</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">7. <em>Why would any evangelical want to read your book, <span style="font-style: normal;">The Dark Side</span>?</em></p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">Well, I have at least two siblings who would tell you that I’m a pawn of Satan, and you shouldn’t read it! On the other hand, several Christian friends read and provided feedback on the manuscript. Their perspective is that God doesn’t need us to cover for him or to hide from complicated realities.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">I am a non-theist and my conclusions follow my thinking, but <em>The Dark Side </em>is less a challenge to Christianity than to bibliolatry. I was taught, and still believe, that to worship human decisions and creations is idolatry. So in terms of whether someone would want to read this text, I would ask: Do you really worship God or are you getting caught by the worship of traditions and texts? Which do you twist to fit the other? When your deepest best understandings of Love and Truth bump up against creeds and canons, which win out? Given that there are human handprints all over evangelical practices and teachings, how much time have you spent learning to spot them?</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">In reality, this kind of analysis and critique is very much in keeping with the Christian tradition. The writers of the Old Testament took the Akkadian and Sumerian traditions and asked themselves, Which pieces are merely human? What is our best guess about the divine realities that lie beyond? They gleaned and wrestled and kept some fragments of the earlier stories and said, “This is our best understanding of what is Real and what is Good and how to live in moral community with each other.” The writers of the New Testament look at what the Torah had become and saw idolatry.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">Again, they gleaned and culled in light of how they understood Jesus and then offered their best understanding of God and goodness. Same with the Protestant Reformation. The reformers scraped away at obviously human encrustations like indulgences and cult of saints until they came to what they thought was the heart of the revelation. I think that the deepest challenge of the spiritual quest is not to defend the answers of our spiritual ancestors but to do as they did — to dig and scrape and take ourselves into that uncomfortable space where growth happens.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">8. <em>How would you handle it if your child became a Bible toting member of Campus Crusade for Christ? In the same vein, how should evangelicals respond if their child takes the anti-theist road?</em></p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">It would be hard. My daughters are both passionate about making the world a kinder place — primarily for weird animals like sharks and manatees and kakapos and factory chickens. But more recently they got wonderfully caught up in microcredit (through Kiva.org) and started directing their birthday money toward humans. I’d be grieved to see their passion and compassion channeled by an ideology.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">My biggest grief would be if one joined a religious organization that discouraged deep loving relationships with outsiders, including family. An elderly couple I met at a humanist gathering are not allowed to see their evangelical grandchildren because they are retired scientists with a secular world view.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">When my younger brother came out as gay, it pitted my mom’s theological fundamentalism against her love for her son. Love won out. That is what I aspire to, and it is what is would hope for any parent in a similar situation.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">9. <em>Christian apologetics and cultural communication today have taken several major turns since your days citing creationists to Wheaton profs. For example, Tim Keller, a PCA pastor in Manhattan, has earned a broad hearing from the culture in his book “</em><em>The Reason for God</em><em>.” Keller is not Josh McDowell, it’s safe to say. Younger evangelicals are anti-culture war and many were pro-Obama. Many evangelicals accept evolution, although quietly, and many more distrust “Creation science.” Do any of the changes in apologetic methods and approaches since your loss of faith interest you when you are portraying evangelicals in print or speech?</em></p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">You are right. Many of the conditions that pushed me to join the public dialogue have shifted, and when I engage secular audience I quite often bring up these changes. I love it that evangelicals like Jim Wallis are complicating that dialogue from a social standpoint, and a new generation of evangelical ministers like Rob Bell are complicating the dialogue theologically.</p>
<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">I see the theological dialogue as most important. Unless we understand that our theological agreements are provisional and open to growth, social change is just a matter of Christianity fluctuating in response to social conditions. There have been many times in history when the balance shifted between personal /doctrinal purity and compassion/love. Then conditions change and the pendulum swings back, in part because bibliolatry and what I call ancestor worship keeps people from growing beyond the understanding of the Bible’s authors and the councils that decided the creeds and canon. My hope is that we will come to understand our spiritual heritage and our own minds well enough that the cruelties perpetrated in the name of God become a part of history.<br />
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<p style="font-family: 'bitstream vera sans', verdana, sans-serif;">I’d like to thank Dr. Tarico for her time and effort in helping all of us understand this new relationship between evangelicals and non-theists. I know the vast majority of my audience is appreciative as well. Hopefully, we will hear from Dr. Tarico again as some of these issues emerge in other contexts.</p>
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		<title>10 Ways to Embrace Doubt and Find Truth</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Unreasonable Faith: A Guide for Doubting Theists Shortly after I became a Christian, I saw a book about Jesus at the library. I couldn’t get enough of Jesus, so I brought it home and began reading. Excitement turned to horror as I realized it was arguing there was hardly any evidence that Jesus even [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From <a href="http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/07/14/10-ways-to-embrace-doubt-and-find-truth/" target="_blank">Unreasonable Faith</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>A Guide for Doubting Theists</p>
<p>Shortly after I became a Christian, I saw a book about Jesus at the library. I couldn’t get enough of Jesus, so I brought it home and began reading. Excitement turned to horror as I realized it was arguing there was hardly any evidence that Jesus even lived, much less was a miracle-working god who rose from the dead. I was appalled. But I was also a little shaken. I never realized someone could question the existence of Jesus. Could my new found belief be wrong?</p>
<p>After much prayer and counsel, I decided to stop reading the book. I was convinced it was Satan trying to attack my faith, and I took that as evidence my beliefs were correct — if Satan was trying to convince me I was wrong, then I must be right!</p>
<p>I didn’t have any doubts about Jesus for another decade.</p>
<p>I was a fool.</p></blockquote>
<p>Great advice:</p>
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<h3>6) Pray to your god for a week. Then choose another and try again.</h3>
<p>You probably have some doubts about prayer. Fortunately, there is a way for you to know if your God answers prayers or not. Follow these directions:</p>
<ol>
<li>Pray to your god for a week. Make your requests specific and something that could <em>only</em> come about through supernatural intervention. I’m not talking about getting a front row parking spot, which happens to us all every now and then. I’m talking about regrowing limbs, people coming back from the dead, walking on water — things that are impossible on our own.</li>
<li>Keep a record of all your requests and mark the ones that were answered (if any).</li>
<li>Next week, pray just as fervently to a different god (like Baal or Zeus) and keep track of your requests.</li>
<li>Then the week after, don’t pray at all — but still write down your requests.</li>
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<p>Does prayer to your deity really work? The evidence (or lack there of) will be before you.</p>
<h3>7) Read your holy book.</h3>
<p>Yes, read your holy book, but also look at it from a viewpoint of an outsider. Then read up on the history of the book from secular scholars. Ask yourself if this book is really written by God, when history shows it to be written by mere men.</p>
<p>Have you read any other holy books? If not, now is the time to learn about them. Every religion has millions of followers who believe it is the only true religion, and that their holy book(s) are inspired by God. What makes yours any different?</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Mentoring Those Who Doubt</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>kwietman</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The power of social networking has struck again. Most of us have connected with people that we haven&#8217;t seen in a long time, by Facebook, Myspace, Classmates or other social media sites. Sometimes, it&#8217;s an opportunity to do a little harmless catching up, combined with a chance to see what became of person X. In [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The power of social networking has struck again.</p>
<p>Most of us have connected with people that we haven&#8217;t seen in a long time, by Facebook, Myspace, Classmates or other social media sites. Sometimes, it&#8217;s an opportunity to do a little harmless catching up, combined with a chance to see what became of person X. In some cases, it&#8217;s a chance to rekindle old friendships, or repair relationships that were damaged by time, distance or immaturity.</p>
<p>Once in a while, it&#8217;s a chance to make a difference in a person&#8217;s life.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been in contact with some people from my high school via Facebook. It turns out that at least one of the people with whom I graduated (in Colorado) lives on the Peninsula, and once lived no more than five minutes from me in Olympia. She and I recently reconnected, along with another classmate who now lives in Wisconsin and was visiting Washington. The conversation was great, but lead to something unexpected.</p>
<p>My facebook profile lists me as an atheist. Not long after the trip to Washington, this woman contacted me to ask about my lack of belief. She said, &#8220;I&#8217;ve never had a chance to discuss things with an actual atheist, and you&#8217;re the only one I know.&#8221; It turns out that she&#8217;s in that early stage, when the teachings of holy book &#8220;X&#8221; no longer make sense, when the morality espoused by a religion or theistic framework no longer look like they correspond with basic human values. She was doubting her faith, and asking my opinion on her areas of doubt.</p>
<p>Those that know me, know that I read philosophy for fun, that I have a strong working knowledge of the bible, and that I love a good debate. But, interestingly, I don&#8217;t think that this is the time for all that. I read her doubts, and they were legitimate ones. I learned that this is not new, but the stewing of thoughts and processes that had been going on for years. I heard the fear in her at the thought of sharing these things with her family, all of whom are believers.</p>
<p>I sympathize. This is my path, all over again. Raised Southern Baptist, closeted as an agnostic for years for the sake of my family and my marriage, scared to tell my parents… many of us have been there. I felt a responsibility to this person to be supportive, to answer questions but not — as some of us are wont to do — to be a lawyer for the prosecution, to attack the framework they are just beginning to see has cracks and missing supports. For all of us, the means of our &#8220;coming out&#8221; is different, and each of us has had to confront some form of hardship as a result. Another of my old friends came out as a gay man to his parents nearly fifteen years after graduating high school, waiting so long only out of fear of judgement. We, as atheists, don&#8217;t have to endure that kind of fear, but few of us are able to say that going public with disbelief was an easy thing.</p>
<p>I know it was as much chance as choice that I became the atheist that this person, out of my life for 25 years, chose to hear her doubts, and the person to whom the questions came. It&#8217;s no less thrilling and scary, though. Unlike the christian evangelist, however, I view the responsibility differently. It&#8217;s not my place to convince, unless asked. What I feel is my responsibility is to guide the questioner to find their own path, perhaps with a recommended book, or an opinion followed by an attribution to its source. It&#8217;s better, I think, when a person comes here on their own, with the sense of accomplishment and freedom that real study brings. I&#8217;m answering questions now, mostly about the field of humanist study, about authors I feel represent humanism and atheism as I see it, and directing her to sources that explain morality without the need for deity.</p>
<p>Remember the teacher that really inspired you? Not the one who gave you the answers, but the one who expected you to do the work, the research, and gave praise when you did? It made me work even harder, knowing that I was accomplishing, on my own, something that <em>made sense</em>, and that I would be recognized for having beaten through the underbrush through my own efforts. I&#8217;m trying very hard to be that person. And, perhaps, I&#8217;ll have a chance to see the birth of a new member of a more enlightened humanity.</p>
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		<title>Ex-Muslim blog</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 01:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This blog is directed at ex-Muslims, written by ex-Muslims. This one is for the ex-Muslims out there, the struggling ones, the ones at a cross roads. I left Islam over what ended up being a period of several years. I learned some things in that time, and I’ve learned from the experiences of friends who [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://treedreamer.com/?p=187" target="_blank">This blog</a> is directed at ex-Muslims, written by ex-Muslims.</p>
<blockquote><p>This one is for the ex-Muslims out there, the struggling ones, the ones at a cross roads. I left Islam over what ended up being a period of several years. I learned some things in that time, and I’ve learned from the experiences of friends who have quit the deen as well. There’s not very much out there for us, is there? I scoured the internet for hours, days looking for advice. I wanted to connect with others who’ve been here. I have found some connections, but it’s a quilt. Patchworks of friends, forums, blogs, books. There is no ready made ex-Muslim community. We are as diverse now as we were when we were Muslims, and still as disconnected from one another in many ways just as we were then.</p></blockquote>
<p>She recommends a few guidelines, which I think some of my ex-Christian friends might find useful:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong></strong><strong></strong>Embrace Your Anger<br />
You’re going to feel like you were lied to, betrayed, bamboozled. This is natural, and you have to confront it and deal with it. I guess there are a few people who can walk away cleanly, and my hat is off to them. But for the most part, you’re going to have some very negative emotions to deal with.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><strong>Regret is a Bitch</strong><br />
You’re going to feel regret. A lot of us did things in our pursuit of faith that had serious consequences on our dunyah, our earthly lives. We quit jobs or gave up promotions that would have given us more pay and benefits and prestige for ‘the sake of Allah’. Because we wanted more time to spend reading Quran or doing zikr, or because the job would have required being subordinate to a woman or having close contact with the opposite gender.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Kick yourself in the ass a few times.  Mourn everything you lost.</p>
<p>But you have to pick yourself up and get on with it. You already wasted time — don’t waste more drowning yourself in your sorrows.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><strong>Hold Steady</strong><br />
Create a support network, and try to stay away from intense debates with Muslims. For the most part, these debates are utterly pointless and you may open yourself up to harm. Pace yourself in terms of how you explore your new world.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><strong>Going Godless</strong><br />
In my limited experiences so far,  most of the people who leave Islam tend to not take up another religion later, and most are agnostic or atheist. However, even if you still believe in some sort of god or gods, you should probably take it easy with religion, at least for a while. Otherwise, you may be setting yourself up for a pattern of devotion, disillusionment, and disbelief.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><strong>Life Your Life in Colour</strong><br />
Life without Islam can be a marvelous, beautiful thing. I urge you to take the opportunity to do things you couldn’t or wouldn’t do before when and how you can. This doesn’t mean you have to go crazy. Sometimes, it’s the little things that make your day.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Rediscover music. Movies. Have a glass of wine with your dinner. Perhaps some bacon? I have to tell you, one of my great pleasures has been reintegrating adult language into my vocabulary.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>You will have regret, anger, sadness on your plate for a long time. But in my experience, and those of my friends, you will also experience relief, and joy. Speaking for myself, I have never felt so unburdened, and so happy as I am now.  Hold fast to your true friends.  Rediscover the joys of life.  Never stop questioning, especially when they tell you ‘Cos god said so’.</p></blockquote>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 00:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#8217;s a group of people who put it all into perspective for missionary Daniel Everett, who spent time living among an indigenous Brazilian tribe he was trying to convert to Christianity. The tribe had no creation myth. They didn’t believe that the world had been “made” at all. Not only that, but they don&#8217;t didn&#8217;t [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a group of people who put it all into perspective for missionary Daniel Everett, who spent time living among an indigenous Brazilian tribe he was trying to convert to Christianity. The tribe had no creation myth. They didn’t believe that the world had been “made” at all. Not only that, but they <span style="text-decoration: line-through">don&#8217;t</span> didn&#8217;t actually have a word for god.</p>
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		<title>Losing Your Religion?  How to Talk to your Kids</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Valerie Tarico, Ph.D. is a psychologist in Seattle, Washington.  She is the author of The Dark Side: How Evangelical Teachings Corrupt Love and Truth, the founder of www.WisdomCommons.org, and the host of Christianity in the Public Square, Moral Politics Television, Seattle. Comment at: http://www.streetprophets.com/storyonly/2009/3/19/232611/291 Recent reports tell us that for the first time in America, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal"><em><span>Valerie Tarico, Ph.D. is a psychologist in Seattle, Washington.  She is the author of <a title="This external link will open in a new window" href="http://www.lulu.com/content/220355" target="_blank">The Dark Side: How Evangelical Teachings Corrupt Love and Truth</a>, the founder of <a title="This external link will open in a new window" href="http://www.wisdomcommons.org/" target="_blank">www.WisdomCommons.org</a></span></em><em><span>,<span style="color: #242424"> and the host of Christianity in the Public Square, Moral Politics Television, Seattle.</span></span></em></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><em> </em><strong></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Comment at: <a title="This external link will open in a new window" href="http://www.streetprophets.com/storyonly/2009/3/19/232611/291" target="_blank">http://www.streetprophets.com/storyonly/2009/3/19/232611/291</a> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><a title="This external link will open in a new window" href="http://www.alternet.org/story/132096/" target="_blank">Recent reports</a> tell us that for the first time in America, the non-religious are being recognized as a significant political constituency. The theocratic excesses of Bush and company drove alarmed nonbelievers out into the open and prompted authors like <a title="This external link will open in a new window" href="http://www.samharris.org/" target="_blank">Sam Harris</a> and <a title="This external link will open in a new window" href="http://www.amazon.com/God-Not-Great-Religion-Everything/dp/0446579807" target="_blank">Christopher Hitchens</a> to pen bestselling diatribes against religion. Through the <a title="This external link will open in a new window" href="http://secular.org/" target="_blank">Secular Coalition</a>, the non-religious have a lobbyist in D.C.  But it&#8217;s not just a matter of the huddled mass of freethinkers finding their voice. <a title="This external link will open in a new window" href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090309/ap_on_re/rel_religious_america" target="_blank">Polls show</a> that more of us are questioning our received traditions, seeking to base both our personal lives and our public policies on reason and evidence. For parents, this brings some extra challenges. Changes that may feel rewarding to us personally can be confusing and scary to kids who love us.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Sometimes I get letters from former Evangelical/fundamentalist Christians who are also parents. &#8220;What do I say to my kids?&#8221; they ask. &#8220;I raised them to believe that without the blood of Jesus they are evil sinners. What a horrible thing for them to think! I feel guilty.&#8221; &#8220;All of their friends are members of our old church, so we keep going. I don’t want to tear them apart, but it’s getting harder and harder for me to pretend.&#8221; &#8220;When I try to talk to them they just cry. They think I’m going to hell.&#8221;</span></p>
<p>No matter what age the kids are or what the situation, telling them that your beliefs have changed or even that you no longer believe can be tricky. Here are three suggestions.</p>
<p><strong><span>1. Help them to understand your changes as a matter of spiritual growth rather than spiritual abandonment.</span></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>The bottom line is that your personal evolution is very much in keeping with the history of human religion, including Christianity. Every past generation answered our deepest questions as best they could. What is real? What is good? How can we live in moral community with each other? But every generation was like the blind men and the elephant. They were limited by their cultural and technological context – their point in history—as well as the fact that they, like us, were imperfect. By outgrowing the answers that were handed down to us, we honor their quest and continue their journey.</span></p>
<p><a title="This external link will open in a new window" href="http://tinyurl.com/czpp37" target="_blank">Here</a> is how I explained my own loss of faith to my extended family.</p>
<p>Even if you emphasize growth, both your own and that of our ancestors, your kids will ask about your current beliefs. After all, you’ve probably taught them to think that it’s the answers that matter, not the process. Do you believe in God? Are you a Christian? Do you believe in Jesus? Are you going to Hell? Try to anticipate their questions and think ahead about some simple responses that are both honest and reassuring. But let them know that you are still learning and that you expect to keep learning for the rest of your life. The nice thing about this framework is that it allows your conversations to continue evolving.</p>
<p><strong><span>2. If your children are still at home, don’t forget that they may need a new community.</span></strong></p>
<p>As you continue to grow and change, you may find community online or with your spouse or you might simply prefer solitude and good books in this next phase of the quest. But if you have raised your children with religion in the center of their lives, they will have their own need for explicit conversations about religion, spirituality and morality. What should replace Sunday school or Pioneer Girls or Bible study?</p>
<p>On top of this are their social needs. Did your church reach out to kids with fun and music? Your kids may have their friends, their weekend activities, and their summer camps all integrated with religion. It’s not fair to cut them off abruptly just because you’ve hit your own tipping point.</p>
<p>Think about seeking out a moral and spiritual community that allows room for doubt or even atheism. A Unitarian Universalist church might be a fit, or a Quaker meeting or <a title="This external link will open in a new window" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethical_Culture" target="_blank">Ethical Culture Society</a>. Within Christianity there are traditions that would allow your children access to familiar rituals and stories without feeding the belief that the Bible is perfect and their parents are doomed. Traditions I might look at include <a title="This external link will open in a new window" href="http://www.ucc.org/" target="_blank">United Church of Christ</a>, <a title="This external link will open in a new window" href="http://unitedmethodist.org/" target="_blank">United Methodist</a>, and <a title="This external link will open in a new window" href="http://www.johnshelbyspong.com/" target="_blank">Episcopal</a>. All of these recognize the human handprints on the Bible and traditional dogmas — and they allow a humble, inquiring approach to the meaning of Christian faith. However, this very much depends on the individual minister. Openness to interfaith or &#8220;interSpiritual&#8221; work can be one indicator that a group doesn’t make exclusive claims about truth and salvation. Pay particular attention to whether your children would be offered explanations of the world that seem real and right to you, and whether they would have a group of peers.</p>
<p><strong><span>3. Trust yourself, even when you are feeling your way in the dark, to be a spiritual guide for your children.</span></strong></p>
<p>You may feel less wise or less confident than before, but that is because you have moved forward. Don’t be afraid to talk with them about spiritual matters, just because you no longer have a clear set of pat answers. What you do have still is deeply held values and principles that guide your life. What are they? Have you ever put them into words? At the <a title="This external link will open in a new window" href="http://www.wisdomcommons.org/" target="_blank">Wisdom Commons </a>or the <a title="This external link will open in a new window" href="http://www.virtuesproject.com/index.php" target="_blank">Virtues Project International</a> or similar sites you can find quotes, stories, and curriculum materials to help you talk with your kids about your moral core.</p>
<p>As complicated and awkward as it may feel to find the right words for all of this, it’s worth it. You have the chance to model for your kids what it means to be a lifetime learner — someone who cultivates the curiosity and humility that can make it actually feel good to realize you were ignorant. Along the way, if you keep asking questions, you will be making some wonderful discoveries, and part of the delight can be sharing them. You once gave your kids a fish. Now you can invite them on a fishing expedition. Who knows what you might catch together!</p>
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