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		<title>Mom of dead girl: Sickness was test of faith</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where&#8217;s the harm in religion? Why, here. As Evan says, &#8220;This kind of story makes me want to shout blood.&#8221; I tend to agree. AP, Tues., July 28, 2009 WAUSAU, Wisc. &#8211; The mother of an 11-year-old girl who died of undiagnosed diabetes as the family prayed for her to get better testified Tuesday that [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where&#8217;s the harm in religion? <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32191966/?GT1=43001" target="_blank">Why, here.</a> As Evan says, &#8220;This kind of story makes me want to shout blood.&#8221; I tend to agree.</p>
<blockquote><p>AP, Tues., July 28, 2009</p>
<p>WAUSAU, Wisc. &#8211; The mother of an 11-year-old girl who died of undiagnosed diabetes as the family prayed for her to get better testified Tuesday that she believes sickness is caused by sin and can be cured by God.</p>
<p>Leilani Neumann told the jury in her husband&#8217;s trial that she thought her daughter&#8217;s March 2008 illness was a test of her religious faith and she didn&#8217;t take the girl to a doctor because that would have been &#8220;complete disobedience to what we believe.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dale Neumann, 47, is charged with second-degree reckless homicide in the 2008 death of his daughter Madeline Neumann, called Kara by her parents. His wife was convicted of the same charge this spring and faces up to 25 years in prison when sentenced Oct. 6.</p>
<p>Prosecutors contend Dale Neumann recklessly killed the youngest of his four children by ignoring her deteriorating health. They claim Neumann had a legal duty to take her to a doctor.</p>
<p>Leilani Neumann testified for nearly five hours Tuesday, describing the events leading up to her daughter&#8217;s March 23, 2008, death on a mattress on the floor of the family&#8217;s rural Weston home as people surrounded her and prayed. Someone called for help when she stopped breathing.</p>
<p>The mother said that she and her husband believed their daughter&#8217;s deteriorating condition may have been the result of a falling out with another couple, and called them once the girl was unconscious and persuaded them to come pray for the girl.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Domestic terrorism and religiosity</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>kwietman</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a great deal of controversy surrounding the practice of late-term abortion. Moral arguments, religious and non-, may be made both for and against the procedure, the details of which are readily available, and to a certain extent central to the argument. In the State of Kansas, there were only three doctors who provided [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a great deal of controversy surrounding the practice of late-term abortion. Moral arguments, religious and non-, may be made both for and against the procedure, the details of which are readily available, and to a certain extent central to the argument. In the State of Kansas, there were only three doctors who provided this service. One of them was Dr. George Tiller. Tiller had performed this procedure for years, and had paid the price as the center of a firestorm.  He was, for more than a decade, the primary ideologic target of the antiabortion movement. For years, he was vilified by the right, compared with Mengele, called a mass murderer, accused of the most heinous crimes on national television and radio.</p>
<p>It turns out that someone was listening.</p>
<p>Scott Roeder, a long-time anti-abortion activist, a man who had been monitored for years, and who had committed trespassing, criminal mischief and other minor nuisance crimes against clinics including Dr. Tiller&#8217;s, allegedly killed Dr. Tiller while the physician served as an usher at his church. Dr. Tiller was more than aware of Roeder, who had on more than one occasion glued the doors to his clinic closed, and about whom Dr. Tiller had made numerous complaints to both local and Federal authorities. Tiller had made such a complaint less than twenty-four hours prior to the shooting.</p>
<p>Roeder was following his faith, which defined abortion as murder of unborn children. In the service of this faith, fed by the voices of ideologues, Roeder believed that any measure, including killing, was justified to protect the lives of those unborn. He was, it seems, not alone. In the wake of George Tiller&#8217;s murder, hundreds of posts on far-right and anti-abortion message boards celebrated the murderer as a hero, while making such statements as &#8220;George Tiller was aborted in his 203rd trimester,&#8221; and &#8220;George tiller: now in his fifth hour in Hell.&#8221; The suspect himself has made numerous statements to the press essentially celebrating Tiller&#8217;s death as a good thing, while denying his involvement in the killing itself.</p>
<p>This &#8220;celebration&#8221; is not limited to individuals. Randall Terry, founder of Operation Rescue, has tried to simultaneously distance his organization from the murder and laud the act itself. This is proving more difficult by the day, as the investigation reveals the involvement of employees of his organization with Roeder. Commentators who previously referred to the victim as &#8220;Tiller the baby killer&#8221; are now attempting to claim that they never, ever advocated violence, of course they didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>This is terrorism. The intent of the slaying was to create terror, to reduce the availability of abortion services by killing a provider while at the same time sending the message to others, both providers and those who seek their services:  you could be next. It&#8217;s the same message sent when a man detonates a bomb strapped around his waist in Tel Aviv. It&#8217;s the same message sent when men fly planes into buildings in New York City. It&#8217;s the same message sent when a bomb made of fertilizer destroys a Federal Building in Oklahoma. It is, as of today, the same message sent when a man walks into a museum recording the deaths of millions and opens fire in the name of hatred.</p>
<p>Guess what? It&#8217;s working.</p>
<p>Women&#8217;s Health Care Services of Witchita, Kansas is closing. How could they not? Who would dare take Dr. Tiller&#8217;s place, to be the next target of Bill O&#8217;Reilly and Sean Hannity, the next subject of curses in the mouths of those who claim a god&#8217;s love while advocating the murder of another physician? Won&#8217;t women now reconsider before going to a clinic providing abortions, wondering if one of the people standing in front with a sign showing the picture of a fetus might have a gun as well? George Tiller&#8217;s murderer knows this. It&#8217;s a bonus, above and beyond the removal of a hated opponent, this chilling effect.</p>
<p>There are non-religious terrorists. I don&#8217;t mean to imply that religion is the only motivator for senseless killing. It is, however, the most common by far. When you hear about a terrorist attack you, like me, immediately thing of one thing: religious fanaticism gone to the extreme. It&#8217;s fed by the rhetoric of hate, it&#8217;s fanned by the apostles of publicity, it&#8217;s perpetrated by the true believers of the Cause, whatever it may be.</p>
<p>In the state of Kansas, whatever you may have thought about the practice of late-term abortion, Dr. George Tiller was within the bounds of the law. Why is it then that the victim of a murderer is being portrayed as less sympathetic than his killer? And what are we, as rational people, doing to counter those voices that celebrate death as a tool of ideology?</p>
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		<title>George Tiller Killed: Abortion Doctor Shot At Church</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 18:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[AP/Huffington Post First Posted: 05-31-09 12:40 PM WICHITA, Kansas &#8212; Dr. George Tiller, a Kansas doctor whose clinic received national attention for performing late-term abortions, was shot to death as he entered his Wichita church on Sunday. &#8220;Members of the congregation who were inside the sanctuary at the time of the shooting were being kept [...]]]></description>
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<blockquote><p>First Posted: 05-31-09 12:40 PM</p>
<p>WICHITA, Kansas &#8212; Dr. George Tiller, a Kansas doctor whose clinic received national attention for performing late-term abortions, was shot to death as he entered his Wichita church on Sunday.</p>
<p>&#8220;Members of the congregation who were inside the sanctuary at the time of the shooting were being kept inside the church by police,&#8221; the Wichita Eagle <a href="http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/1225769.html">reported</a>, &#8220;and those arriving were being ushered into the parking lot.&#8221;</p>
<p>Media reports said the suspected killer fled the scene in a blue Taurus. Police described him as a white male in his 50s or 60s.</p>
<p>Tiller has been among the few U.S. physicians performing late-term abortion, making him a favored target of anti-abortion protesters. He testified that he and his family have suffered years of harassment and threats. His clinic was the site of the 1991 &#8220;Summer of Mercy&#8221; protests marked by mass demonstrations and arrests. His clinic was bombed in 1985, and an abortion opponent shot him in both arms in 1993.</p>
<p>Tiller&#8217;s clinic also provided group and individual counseling, as well as chaplain and funeral services for people who were grieving.</p>
<p>The anti-abortion group Operation Rescue, which runs a &#8220;<a href="http://www.operationrescue.org/category/tiller-watch/">Tiller Watch</a>&#8221; feature on its website, released a statement condemning the shooting. &#8220;We are shocked at this morning&#8217;s disturbing news that Mr. Tiller was gunned down. Operation Rescue has worked for years through peaceful, legal means, and through the proper channels to see him brought to justice. We denounce vigilantism and the cowardly act that took place this morning. We pray for Mr. Tiller&#8217;s family that they will find comfort and healing that can only be found in Jesus Christ.&#8221;</p>
<p>Tiller remained prominent in the news in recent years, in part because of an investigation begun by former Kansas Attorney General Phill Kline, an abortion opponent.</p>
<p>Prosecutors had alleged that Tiller had gotten second opinions from a doctor who was essentially an employee of his, not independent as state law requires, but a jury in March acquitted him of all 19 misdemeanor counts against him.</p>
<p>Abortion opponents also questioned then-Gov. Kathleen Sebelius&#8217; ties to Tiller before the Senate confirmed her this year as U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary. Tiller donated thousands of dollars to Sebelius over the years.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Thou shalt not kill.&#8221; YOU&#8217;RE DOING IT WRONG.</p>
<p>And another thing? How is this not terrorism?</p>
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		<title>For the skeptic in all of you</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 03:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[For those out there who argue that there&#8217;s no harm in religion, check it out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those out there who argue that there&#8217;s no harm in religion, <a href="http://whatstheharm.net/" target="_blank">check it out.</a></p>
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		<title>&#8220;10 Things I&#8217;ve Learned from the Bible&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 03:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Courtesy of a member of TA, (former evangelical, now atheist): Bigger is not always better. (David vs. Goliath) If you&#8217;re going to get somebody else&#8217;s wife pregnant, you&#8217;d better be God. (Matt. 1 &#8220;Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="note_header">Courtesy of a member of TA, (former evangelical, now atheist):</div>
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<li>Bigger is not always better. <em>(David vs. Goliath)</em></li>
<li> If you&#8217;re going to get somebody else&#8217;s wife pregnant, you&#8217;d better be God. <em>(Matt. 1 &#8220;Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.&#8221;</em><em>)</em></li>
<li> Gay people and people who leave their house on Saturday should be killed as slowly and painfully as possible. Also, children who are really annoying. <em>(Leviticus)</em></li>
<li> Never let a virgin go to waste. <em>(Numbers 31:17-18 &#8220;Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves&#8221;</em><em>)</em></li>
<li> Women just need to shut their mouths and stop asking questions. <em>(Paul)</em></li>
<li> When you beat your slave, don&#8217;t go all the way and kill him. That&#8217;s just mean. And a waste of money. <em>(Exodus)</em></li>
<li> Accuracy is not really all that important. Imagination is. <em>(Genesis-Revelation)</em></li>
<li> God coined the expression, &#8220;Eat shit.&#8221; <em>(Ezekiel 4: &#8220;And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight.&#8221;</em><em>)</em></li>
<li> Stay away from women on their period.<em> (Leviticus)</em></li>
<li> Never, ever forgive someone until you have murdered another someone in a bloody rage to take out your anger and show everybody just how pissed off you are. If the offender still doesn&#8217;t realize how angry you are even after your going apeshit, just set them on fire. Forever. That&#8217;ll show &#8216;em.<em> (God)</em></li>
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